I guess the big problem comes because they need to want help. My dad never wanted help a lot of the time he didn’t even think he had a problem. Although a weekly shop involved 6 boxes of wine, 11 bottles of wine and 5 bottles of brandy.
You can only do so much, ultimatums don’t work because they will agree and then break them. You get angry/hurt they get angry and you end up in the same place over and over. The pain never changes whether you in contact or not. I guess I’m way further down the line than both of you, you guys both still deep down have hope!