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Hey cath
Not cyber stalking, was replying to someone else and saw a notification come up!
Are these just regular over the counter pain meds – no codeine?
I have experience abusing painkillers bit didn’t think these ones had any opiates in them. In fact all they are good for is the odd headache or mild pain. They shouldn’t make you feel out of it – unsure of mixed it accelerates any highs, then again who knows? If he looks out of it likely he has taken something else.
That said elevywn packets is a ton of rubbish to be putting into your system and is a worry
Any ideas if it’s anything else?
Hi Jenny
Thanks for posting, sorry you are having such a rough time, that is a difficult situation. Firstly anyone trying to take their life has a bonafide problem that needs help and support. Often drug taking and mental health issues are linked and it’s a bit like chicken and egg syndrome, drink take drugs feel depressed, feel depressed take drink and drugs.
The only real way out of this is for him to concede he has a problem and ask for help, otherwise you will likely be open to hurt and more abuse as he isn’t able to see the wood for the trees. This isn’t nice to hear especially as he is your son – you can’t just let go or cut off it’s not that simple.
Everyone’s rock bottom is different. Some people really go all the way, others get a fright and it’s enough to jolt them into doing something about the problem. In recovery circles you will often hear people refer to their rock bottom as the gift of desperation as it is the point where they stand up and do something about it.
Someone said to me once who are you to stand in the way of someones rock bottom. I get what they were trying to say, bit I felt it was misguided. If it’s someone you love, you can’t just cut off.
Do you think he could reach out for help?
Thanks Lou
No bother
Ok as Kel pointed out the diazepam is something to watch out for.
The market is flooded with high quality looking fakes. They look the part in foil, boxes, sealed etc the reality is you don’t know what they are cut with. It’s the same with Painkillers too. Slot of the time it’s cut with fentanyl or other dangerous stuff which knocks you for six. The problem is you have no idea what or how much you are taking. I’m glad you took it off him
It’s so easy to get hold of this stuff on the web
Thanks Lou.
Firstly sorry you are having this worry, it takes guts to reach out.
Ok so cannabis affects people on different ways. With CBD on the market now it’s all the rage and there is a great deal of misinformation between the both.
CBD doesn’t have any of the psychoactive substance in it, or at least enough to make you stoned per se. Cannabis obviously does. Lots of people say it’s harmless – what I know is that some people actually end up really damaged by it, everyone is different.
Was the Diaz prescribed or bought elsewhere?
Benzos are a different ball game, they are highly addictive and very difficult to come off (trust me I know). They work quickly and will alleviate anxiety and depression but soon you have to take more to get the effect.
I don’t know if mixing them is dangerous – its safe to say it’s never a good idea and not forgetting that if you don’t treat the mental health side, it’s possible more substances will be sought out and it could be a slippery slope from there.
I guess the key here is mental health. Low mood, depression or anxiety are all things that a GP should be aware of if not already.
Cannabis and Benzos are a quick fix – so easy to see why they are an option, believe me I know, but long term you are storing up a world of hurt and in some cases they can make the thing you are trying to escape from ten times worse.
Anyway enough of the problem let’s focus on what could help right now today
Definitely speak to GP and get some help.
The GP can also refer counselling etc, talking is hard but really helps long term
Diet is also key. Nutrition is very unspoken about in cases where there is low mood, depression or anxiety. Google foods to help with this you would be surprised
Excercise. Last thing you want to do when you feel down but very effective
If you think he may be an addict, of heading that way you could also have him sit in on some NA meetings online. Lots of people start with things that don’t seem serious but escalate, he may also find people similar to him which is also really helpful
I meant to say the Gp can also help withental health issues – he may have a genuine chemical imbalance in the brain which is very common and easily treated with meds and a combination of the above
Hi Lou
What is he smoking exactly? And also what dosage of Diaz is he on
Just trying to work a few things out in my head before I reply fully
Thank you for posting
Trauma and addiction are often intrinsically linked.
The challenge with counselling is that it takes a long time to get somewhere and often addicts want a quick fix, as in right now. I imagimw it stirs up slot of emotions going over that, and if you are unable to handle them a drink is going to be appealing.
No problem.
People with chronic pain fall into a slightly different bracket IMHO and in some respects have it tough, as all that waits when they stop taking is pain and that’s not at easy choice
Keep us posted on here on how things go and very best of luck!
There seems to be elements of being honest here which is really good.
I can tell you from experience that Xanax and painkillers are a very dangerous combo. I have been there myself
Mixed together they give you a very powerful euphoria, but can also be lethal I’m certain doses. Also, the withdrawal from those two combined was utter hell, I hope that’s something he doesn’t have to face
Thanks for replying
Keep a close eye on it.
Opioids of any sort are dangerous, more so the ones you guys have in the US versus here in the UK.
Can be speak to a doctor about the pain?
Hey
Thanks for posting
What you described reads like heroin Use – the only way to really know is ask him.
Can you do this?
Hey
No apologies needed, that’s what this forum is for.
Reading your post it sounds like you know this is a problem as it’s affecting you, your family and your relationship.
No one can diagnose him as an alcoholic bar himself unfortunately, however based on what what you wrote it does seem that is the issue.
Unless he recognises this is an issue and wants to help himself there is not a great deal you can do
Do you think he would be receptive to the idea of getting help?
Hey Bin
That’s why I suggested online as he doesn’t have to see anyone, but I get what you mean about not having a computer which is such a shame
I know that sectioning can be traumatic for anyone – that should be a last resort, I can see your thinking though as you don’t have anything else to explore. Does he want to get help?
Hey Bin
Thanks for posting
Wow that’s an awful lot for one person to deal with.
Firstly I feel for your brother. For what it’s worth many addicts are delusional and think they can switch it off and sort It out if they wanted to – I know I did, putting that into practice however yields far different results and I’m yet to find a real addict that can do that with no help or support.
His lack of trust is understandable, the damage of that abuse is far reaching and likely one of the reasons for using though I don’t like to assume. I know that Autism means some degree of rigid thinking, and also knowing your place in the world which is where I think drugs help those suffering (this is my theory only)my little boy has autism and I find that we have to worm using carrot and stick rather than the direct approach, I don’t know if this Would be a method you could try to use here in any way?
Spice is a pretty evil drug and I know that withdrawal looks horrendous. If he gets to the point where he wants to quit then some medical help is going to be needed to be safe.
What he can do is look into NA meetings. It’s free, people there are addicts just like him, there is no authority or commitment needed other than turn up, listen and try to identify. They are all online at the moment so he doesn’t have to face or speak to anyone if he doesn’t want to, do you have a computer or tablet he could use? I’m just thinking that autism comes with social anxiety sometimes and difficulty interacting- being online may help with that
Post back and I’ll try to help with anything I can
from what you have put it seems like he can’t stop when he wants to, or drink safely. It’s affecting you and your lives and that falls into the bracket of it being quite a problem. His liver may get better, but staying stopped is really the key.
Regarding surviving and recovering – yes of course you can – but this very much depends on him being open, honest and willing to sorting himself out and getting help and support. You can’t do this stuff for him.
Talk it out tonight see how it goes. I think a good idea is to see if he’s open to getting some help, abstinence is the only way in my experience and this is from someone 12 years sober
I hope you guys can find a way through and if he needs any pointers or advice post here I’m happy to help
Hey no problem
The break is completely up to you by the way, I should be careful when giving advice.
With addiction you can’t compare to anyone else – everyone is different. Some will be worse, some better.
If he is receptive to help that’s a start. This won’t go away or get better sadly